From Programming to Presence: Is it manipulation or sanctification?

In this thought-provoking episode 91 of the Eyes on Jesus Podcast, Drew and Tim challenge the modern church’s obsession with trends, metrics, and imitation. Too often, ministries and believers alike model their faith after popular figures rather than seeking direct guidance from God. But what if we stopped chasing influence and started chasing authenticity?

What You’ll Discover in This Episode:

✅ Are we being sanctified or just manipulated by culture?

✅ Why do churches copy influencers like Joe Rogan & Craig Groeschel instead of hearing from God?

✅ The 4 types of churches—visionary, early adopters, late adopters, and resistors. Where does yours fall?

✅ Are testimonies more powerful than numbers? Why stories matter more than stats. ✅ How personal faith routines can become imitation rather than revelation.

Listen on Spotify: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/show/eyesonjesus/episodes/From-Programming-to-Presence-Is-it-manipulation-or-sanctification-e30giml

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/zYrV3QjPOXc

Below is an AI generated blog post based on the episode:

Title: Finding Authenticity in Modern Ministry: A Call for Personal and Spiritual Reflection

Introduction

In an age where the world seems filled with influencers and trends, it’s easy for churches and individuals alike to get swept away by cookie-cutter methodologies. Episode 91 of the Eyes on Jesus Podcast with Drew and Tim explores this very challenge, bringing to light the importance of truly knowing why we do what we do, both in ministry and in our personal walks of faith.

The Core Issue: Manipulation vs. Sanctification

Drew kicks off the discussion by questioning why leaders often follow in the footsteps of influential figures, like Joe Rogan and Craig Groeschel, rather than seeking direct guidance from God. This pattern, which can be seen in both personal and community practices, strays from the biblical norm where each disciple maintained a unique relationship with Jesus. Rather than blindly adopting trends, Drew suggests leaders should frequently ask one fundamental question: “Do you want me to do this, God?” This simple inquiry, he argues, could transform our approach to faith and ministry.

Church Trends: A Reflective Look

Drew categorizes churches into four types: visionary, early adopters, late adopters, and those resistant to change. His concern is that many churches model their actions after others without genuinely assessing their unique calling or seeking divine direction. This often leads to ministries focusing more on numbers and metrics than on actual spiritual transformation within their communities.

Beyond Numbers: The Stories That Matter

One highlight of the podcast is the emphasis on storytelling—the testimonies of real people experiencing transformation. Metrics, while important, should never overshadow the true mission of the church: creating disciples. Drew shares stories of personal growth within his congregation as evidence that focusing on Jesus can bring about deep, genuine change.

Challenge the Status Quo

Tim adds weight to the conversation by addressing the dangers of adopting practices without question. Whether it’s giving coffee mugs to newcomers or mimicking the flashy styles of mega-churches, both hosts urge listeners and leaders to pray and ensure their methods align with God’s purpose rather than societal norms.

A Call for Personal Reflection

The episode isn’t just a critique of church trends; it serves as an invitation for personal introspection. Tim and Drew encourage every believer to assess their spiritual practices. Are daily routines birthed from personal convictions, or mere imitations of others’ successful stories? Authenticity in our relationship with Christ must be our aspiration, not ticking boxes in spiritual programming.

Conclusion: Seek Guidance, Not Gimmicks

Drew’s final thoughts resonate as a clarion call to all believers: How do your personal and communal practices serve the genuine call to follow Jesus? They implore listeners to replace spiritual programming with genuine presence—a call to seek Jesus authentically and allow Him to guide our actions and decisions.

Join the Conversation

The Eyes on Jesus Podcast invites you to reflect on your own spiritual journey. How can you shift from programmatic faith to authentic discipleship? Share your thoughts and experiences with Drew and Tim by contacting them at eyesonjesuspodcast@outlook.com. Don’t forget to connect on social media and join their Facebook community for more behind-the-scenes content and discussions.

A Final Word

As the podcast episode wraps up, listeners are left with an empowering message: Go with God, grow in discernment, and keep your eyes on Jesus. In doing so, let’s aim for a faith that reflects Christ authentically in every aspect of our lives.